The American Soul
The American Soul
Faith in the Fire: Enduring Life's Trials with James
Liberty flows from God's word - this profound truth echoes through James Chapter 1 and America's founding documents alike. In this thought-provoking episode, we explore how the biblical concept of being "doers of the word, not merely hearers" applies both to our personal faith and our national character.
Drawing from James' powerful teaching on perseverance through trials, we unpack what it truly means to practice "pure and undefiled religion" - bridling our tongues, caring for widows and orphans, and remaining unstained by the world. These spiritual disciplines don't just strengthen our individual walks with Christ; they form the foundation of liberty in a republic.
The episode takes a fascinating historical turn as we examine early Supreme Court decisions that explicitly affirmed America's Christian foundation. The 1844 case Vidal versus Gerard's Executors reveals how the highest court unanimously declared that education without Christianity "is not valuable" and that establishing non-Christian schools was not even to be "presumed to exist in a Christian country." We also explore the Court's 1884 affirmation that our rights come "not by edicts of emperors or decrees of parliament or acts of congress, but by their Creator."
This illuminating journey through scripture and American history challenges the modern narrative that seeks to separate our rights from their divine source. If the Declaration of Independence acknowledges that our rights come from God, how can we logically exclude God from our institutions?
Whether you're struggling with personal trials, seeking to deepen your faith, or interested in understanding America's religious heritage, this episode provides powerful encouragement to align your priorities with eternal truths. Join us as we discover how drawing closer to God and helping others do the same remains the surest path to liberty, both personal and national.
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Hey folks, this is Jesse Coe, back with another episode of the American Soul Podcast. Hope y'all are doing well, wherever y'all are and whatever part of the day you're in. Sure do appreciate y'all joining me. Give me a little bit of your time and a little piece of your day. I will try and use it wisely. Hopefully it'll give us all some extra tools for our toolbox, as we used to say in the Marine Corps. Hopefully it'll help us, each as individuals and as a nation, turn back to God and Jesus Christ, even if just a mite, a wee bit. For those of y'all who continue to share the podcast and tell others about it, thank you. For those of y'all who continue to pray for me and for the podcast, thank you so much. And for those of y'all who are new to the podcast, I'm glad you're here. Hopefully y'all get something out of it and hopefully y'all come back.
Speaker 1:Father, thank you for today. Thank you for you, father, and your Son, jesus Christ, and your Holy Spirit. Thank you for your love and your mercy, your grace and your forgiveness of sins. Thank you for all your many blessings, the ones that we admit and the ones that we don't. Forgive us our sins, father. Please Forgive us our greed and our selfishness, our pride, our arrogance, judgment of others, rash words and actions, cowardice and our unbelief. Help us to overcome them. We do believe we were those who were hurting and alone around the world. We were the widow and the orphan, the poor and the needy. Help us to care for them. Help us to care for them. Help us to show those that we come into contact throughout the day just a little bit of you, father, and your Son, jesus Christ. Forgive us when we fail, father. Forgive us when we fall short. Guide us in all that we do. Give us perseverance. Give us the wisdom to see. Do Give us perseverance. Give us the wisdom to see what you want us to do and the courage to act on it.
Speaker 1:Be with those who are listening to the podcast now, wherever they are around the world, across the nation, here in America, and their families. Guide them, bless them, surround them with your angels. Protect us from evil of any kind. Father, help us to follow the commands of your Son, to love you with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. And please guide my words here, father. In your son's name, we pray Amen.
Speaker 1:Have you made time for God today? Have you made time to read his word? Have you made time to pray? Is he at the top of your priority list? Is he at the bottom? Is he somewhere crammed in the middle? Is he even the top of your priority list? Is he at the bottom? Is he somewhere crammed in the middle? Is he even on it? And if you're married, have you made time for your spouse? Do they know that they are your second priority, each and every day, behind only God and Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1:Read this quote from Barclay. I think I read it on a previous podcast. I might start to read it more often. Nothing hurts so much as to go to someone and offer love and have that offer spurned. It is life's bitterest tragedy to give one's heart to someone only to have it broken. That's what happened to Jesus in Jerusalem. And still he comes to men, and still men reject him. But the fact remains that to reject God's love in the end is to be in peril of his wrath. More than anything else on this podcast, I don't do a good job of this each day, but I hope that if you don't have a relationship, if you haven't made the decision to put your faith in Jesus Christ, to choose to have faith in him and turn to him, that you will. But within that, folks, not just in your relationship with God and Jesus Christ, I hope. Maybe it helps your marriage a little bit if it's struggling Because that relationship is supposed to mimic the relationship right between Christ and the church. And this warning of Barclays is so true If we continue to reject Christ, there's going to come a day where we don't have any more second chances. And that's really in my experience, from what I've seen, that's true in marriage as well. If you continue to reject your spouse, if you continue to make other things and people your priority, there's going to come a day where there aren't any more second chances. And maybe that's because your spouse dies, maybe it's because they leave. There's going to come a day where you don't have that one more day to act the way that you're supposed to.
Speaker 1:We're going to go into James now, chapter 1. Testing your faith, james, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad, greetings. Consider it all a joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance, and let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith, without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind, for that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. But the brother of humble circumstances is to glory in his high position and the rich man is to glory in his humiliation. And the rich man is to glory in his humiliation Because, like flower and grass, he will pass away, for the sun rises with a scorching wind and withers, the grass and its flower falls off and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed. So too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away. So too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away. Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love him.
Speaker 1:Let no one say when he is tempted. I am being tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil, and he himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then, when lust is conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. In the exercise of his will, he brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among his creatures. This you know, my beloved brethren, but everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger, for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
Speaker 1:Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility, receive the word implanted which is able to save your souls, which is able to save your souls, but prove yourselves doers of the word, not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror. For once he has looked at himself and gone away. He has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was, but one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer. This man will be blessed in what he does. This man will be blessed in what he does.
Speaker 1:If anyone thinks himself to be religious yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless. Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this to visit orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world. I think we'll start from the end today and work our way back Verse 26 and 27,. Talking about well, first verse 26,. If you think you're religious yet you don't control your own tongue, bridle your own tongue but you deceive your own heart. Your religion's worthless. How many of us bridle our tongue? How many of us control our tongue Really, when you're in a situation in your everyday life, in your community, supermarket, sporting event, school, church, church, community, somewhere, job, how many of us bridle our tongue and control our tongue? Then 27, right, what does he say? That pure? A lot of times today.
Speaker 1:Religion gets this, this really bad rap, like our religion's. So you hear it a lot, even in the church. We're not talking about religion, we're talking about faith. Right, and I get it. A lot of people have used the structure, the man-made structure of religion to some pretty nefarious ends, but here you see God talking about pure and undefiled religion. So there must be something good about religion if we do it God's way. And what does he say? What is it? And the sight of our God and Father is this to visit orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Those are some pretty perhaps the second more than the first. Those are some pretty hard commands To be unstained by the world, not to be bitter, not to go after the lusts and the shiny baubles that the world puts up before us, the greed.
Speaker 1:How many of us, though, would be kept out of the second part of trouble if we focused more on doing the first part? How many of us have widows and orphans in our community, in our schools, in our churches? Right, and maybe it's not even an orphan, in the sense that both mom and dad are gone, but maybe it's just one parent, you know, maybe it's a single parent, maybe it's a single-parent household. How many of those do we have, where those kids either don't have a father or don't have a mother to look up to? There's a lot of those opportunities, folks, I promise, and you don't have to go across deserts or overseas to find them. How many of us have widows in our church, the elderly, that need our help or just need us to sit and talk for a few minutes?
Speaker 1:Maybe on some day we get so busy and I'm so guilty of this, folks, I feel like some days I've got my day planned out to the five-minute mark and everything's got to hit just right, which always causes problems. I don't know if it does for y'all, but for me I would bet it does for y'all. When I plan my day out that tight, it's just a matter of time before something doesn't go exactly the way I needed it to to maintain that schedule right. So we don't plan in any of these quiet spaces, any of these dead spaces, so to speak, where if somebody showed up at your door or if you saw somebody at the post office or the grocery store, you could stop and talk for a few minutes without messing up the complete rest of your day and maybe again throwing myself under the bus here.
Speaker 1:Maybe the point is that we've got our priorities set alight, that what we think is messing up our day is what's actually God's got planned for that day, what he really needs us to do. I don't know, verse 22. Of person, he was but one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. I love the fact here that liberty is again tied to God's word. God's word.
Speaker 1:Folks, whoever you are, wherever you are, particularly in America, but in whatever country you're listening around the world doesn't matter whether it's Great Britain, whether it's France, whether it's Canada or any of the other places that I see pop up every once in a while. You can't have liberty without the Spirit of God, and the more, the closer we as a people draw to God, the more liberty we can expect. So in one sense, really, I mean this kind of is the whole point right. But if you really want liberty in your nation, your number one goal each day ought to be drawing people closer to God and Jesus Christ. That's it, spouse, kids, community, your nation, your state. Wherever you are around the world, your number one job each day ought to be drawing people closer to God and Jesus Christ, and then just the rest of this being a doer.
Speaker 1:I think one of the ways that this is so clearly evidenced, at least throughout the decades of my life, is it's what we talk about each day at the beginning of the podcast. You know, have you made time for God? Have you made time for your spouse? If we claim our priorities are X, y and Z, our actions back that up. Do we really spend time with God? Do we really love our spouse each day in the way that God commands that we talk about on this podcast so often? You know, are we really following the commands of Jesus Christ to love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength? Love our neighbors ourselves?
Speaker 1:Huge failure on my part so many days, multiple times a day, because I'm not really lining my priorities up with my words. I'm not being as James says here, I'm not being a doer of the word. I'm listening to it, I hear it, but I'm not doing it. Well, what good does that do anybody? What good does that do my wife if I know exactly how a husband is supposed to treat a wife, but I don't do it. But I don't do it. What good is that doing my children if I know exactly how God wants a father to treat their children, but I'm not doing it? You can keep working all the way down, your parents, folks, your nation. Right Again, for those of us. What good for our nation? What good is it actually doing us If we know how God wants us to act, if we know, for example, if we know, what produces liberty, which is drawing closer to God and helping others draw closer to God, what good is it doing our nation if we don't do that, if we don't spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in whatever way we can? And I'll tell you right now I was thinking we're going to move on.
Speaker 1:There's so much more here, folks. In James, great chapter, one of them, just well, there's just so much. Verse 2,. Consider it a joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance, and let endurance have its perfect results so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. Yeah, I don't really like the trial part. I'm not a big fan of that and I'm assuming you're not either and that kind of ties in with what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:Though, folks, there's there's a lot of days where you just want to pack it all in and you've just had enough. Right, I get it, I totally understand that, and I just go back to what I've mentioned on the podcast, I think pretty recently is just to show up for one more day, to what I've mentioned on the podcast, I think pretty recently is just to show up for one more day, just one more day. Go to bed tonight, or, if it's early in the morning, you got up, you know, work your way to lunch, do what you're supposed to do until lunch, and then tell yourself then I'll quit, then I'll pack it all in, and then do the same thing to dinner, get to bed, then I'll pack it all in, I'll do it again. Right, I get that desire to just quit, walk away. If you're struggling with that and I think at some point all of us struggle with the perseverance part, the endurance, especially when we're under trial Hopefully that encourages a little bit folks, you're not alone. If you're going through a trial and you just don't feel like you have a whole lot of perseverance left. Ask God for wisdom and courage and perseverance and just do it one more day. Just one more day, that's it.
Speaker 1:So we've talked about a couple Supreme Court cases over the years. Notably a couple times we've gone to the 1892 case of the Church of the Holy Trinity versus the United States and the opinion, the decision by the high court by Justice Josiah Brewer, the decision by the high court by Justice Josiah Brewer. But I wanted to read through some excerpts that are in America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations by William J Federer from the Supreme Court. So we'll see how far we get today. Read a couple of them. This is the 1844 case of Vidal versus Gerard's executors. I think we've talked about some excerpts from here In the past. Justice Joseph story, who we've talked about quite often, gave the Court's opinion, and what the this case was about Is Stephen Gerard, who was a deist From from France originally and moved to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:He died and his estate, which was over $7 million, which you can imagine how much $7 million was in 1844, he left it to establish an orphanage and a school, but there was a stipulation that no religious influence be allowed, and so the city rejected the proposal and this is why their lawyers said the plan of education proposed is anti-Christian and therefore repugnant to the law. The purest principles of morality are to be taught. Where are they found? Whoever searches for them must go to the source from which a Christian man derives his faith the Bible. There is an obligation to teach what the Bible alone can teach, vis-a-vis or versus, through a pure system of morality. Both in the Old and New Testaments, religious instructions importance is recognized, instructions, importance is recognized. In the old it is said thou shalt diligently teach them to thy children, and the new suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not. No fault can ever be found with Gerard for wishing a marble college to bear his name forever. But it is not valuable unless it has a fragrance of Christianity about it. Lord, folks, that's maybe so.
Speaker 1:We talked about this right, but the purpose of this podcast, what it should always be, and it hasn't always been. I haven't done a good job identifying or executing. But the goal of a Christian right is always to save lost souls to do God's will right. To save lost souls to do God's will right. But it's hard to see how that's not finding the lost and helping them come to Christ, at least a big chunk of the time, right.
Speaker 1:The second goal of this podcast is to go back and illustrate this connection between God and America that has been so covered up and so maligned over the last 80 years. Since the Supreme Court case of Everson v Board of Education and really before that it started you could make the argument with feminism and just outright rejection of God and Jesus Christ, but it really picked up pace there. One of the ways that we have to achieve that second goal of this podcast is to take back culture and education. I've said that often over the years, and both of those. Why? Because what the left has understood for so long and has been brilliant in executing is that if they control the schools, they control the future. If they control the education of children, they control the future of children. They control the future. If they can separate children from their families, separate them from God before that, and then fill their minds with revisionist history, atheism, communism, socialism, leftism, right Then they control the future of the country.
Speaker 1:And on the conservative side we have failed to catch on In that regard. We've been a lot like a number of citizens in Britain in the 1920s and 30s, going into World War II, the Nazis knew what the game was War, total war. The British, despite the warnings of Churchill and others, didn't pick up the ball to run with it For a long time. And in America, on the conservative Christian patriot side those who Love America, or at least claim to we have let the left get. It's like running a 400 meter run right, or maybe a 400 meter four by four relay is a better analogy and track right it's four laps around. You have four different people running it. And track right, it's four laps around, you have four different people running it. And it's like we've let the left get their third leg handoff before we even started out of the blocks.
Speaker 1:Now, granted, we have God and Jesus Christ, and therefore truth, on our side, so there's a chance that, even at this late date, we can stave off the disaster that seems to be headed toward our nation. But it's got to be because we put one of the pillars of. That has to be because we put God and Jesus Christ back at the center of our classroom. Like Fisher Ames again said, the man who actually worded the establishment clause in the first amendment, the Bible has to be the primary textbook. And so you see, in this court case, the lawyers here that were arguing before the Supreme Court and Vidal versus Gerard, they're saying this education that's proposed by this will is anti-Christian.
Speaker 1:And they say and therefore it's repugnant to the law. You see, because the principles of Jesus Christ at the beginning of our country were involved in our public life. It wasn't something that we hid in a closet somewhere in our private life, in our houses. They were part of our institutions Education, military law enforcement, courts, constitutions, and that's why we talk about it constantly on this podcast, right Like you go back and you look at some of the original state constitutions and the very explicit language, the fact that people weren't allowed to serve unless they were Christian, particularly Protestant in many cases of your original 13 colonies. But they said it's repugnant to the law. You've got to have the Bible there, in both the Old and the New Testaments. It tells us that we need to teach our children that verse out of the New Testament suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not. That's pretty condemning about our country right now, the fact that we have public schools that are paid for by taxpayer money and yet we forbid children to come to Jesus Christ, we don't teach them the Bible, and there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't hinder an individual's First Amendment right to freedom of religious choice, which we don't understand. The First Amendment really today, anyway, which we don't understand? The First Amendment really today, anyway. But you can go home and teach your kids, if you want to, to be Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist or Hindu or atheist or whatever else you want. But as a nation, we're a Christian nation and so if we're going to have publicly funded schools, we have to have Bible-centric education.
Speaker 1:And what is this last sentence here? This little excerpt you know they don't blame Gerard for wanting. It says for wishing a marble college to bear his name forever. Right, they don't judge him for that. But they said it's not valuable unless it has a fragrance of Christianity about it.
Speaker 1:Education without Christianity, according to the Supreme Court Supreme Court in 1844, so that's 70 years give or take after we started all this here in America, right? That's 70 years give or take after we started all this here in America, right, education without Christianity is not valuable. That's what the Supreme Court says. Where have we heard that before? Well, we've talked about Harvard a number of times. Just one example, but it's the one that popped into my head right now on this podcast, and if I can find it real quick the founders at Harvard. What did they believe, right? They said all knowledge without Christ was vain. One more while I'm at it if I can find it, it's by Noah Webster, I believe. Make sure it's not. I think it was by Noah Webster, let me. Education is useless without the Bible. Noah Webster, right. So this sentiment by the Supreme Court was not limited. This was a widespread sentiment. So the Supreme Court that was the lawyers talking right. The Supreme Court gave a unanimous opinion.
Speaker 1:Christianity is not to be maliciously and openly reviled and blasphemed against to the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public. It is unnecessary for us, however, to consider the establishment of a school or college for the propagation of deism or any other form of infidelity. Such a case is not to be presumed to exist in a Christian country. Why may not laymen instruct the general principles of Christianity as well as ecclesiastics? And we cannot overlook the blessings which such laymen, by their conduct as well as their instructions, may nay must impart to their youthful pupils. Why may not the Bible, and especially the New Testament, without note or comment be read and taught as a divine revelation in the school, its general precepts expounded, its evidences explained and its glorious principles of morality inculcated. Where can the purest principles of morality be learned so clearly or so perfectly as from the New Testament?
Speaker 1:It is also said and truly that the Christian religion is part of the common law of Pennsylvania. Religion is part of the common law of Pennsylvania. Again, folks just realize. If somebody tells you that we weren't born a Christian republic, that Christianity doesn't have any place in our laws and our institutions, this is just another example, another tool. I say that at the beginning of every podcast. This is just simply another tool you can put in your toolbox. I say that at the beginning of every podcast. This is just simply another tool you can put in your toolbox.
Speaker 1:The Supreme Court in 1844, right Vidal versus Girard's executors I hope I didn't say executors earlier, executors. Christian religion is part of the common law of Pennsylvania. Unanimous Supreme Court decision. Christianity is not to be maliciously and openly reviled and blasphemed against Supreme Court, unanimous decision To the annoyance of believers or the injury of the public. And it's not even necessary. They said for them to consider the establishment of a school or college for the propagation of deism or any other form of infidelity Islam, hinduism, buddhism, judaism, judaism right, we don't even have to consider it, because such a case is not to be presumed to exist in a Christian country. Man, how far off the tracks have we gone, folks on from the point where the Supreme Court is telling us that Christianity is not to be maliciously or openly reviled or blasphemed against, and kind of you can almost see the smiles on the faces like kind of the confused smile of we don't even need to consider a case about establishing a school or a college for the propagation of deism or any other form of infidelity. Right, we don't even have to consider that, because such a case is not presumed to even exist in a Christian country. And just because sometimes I stumble with it, I think I read this one recently on the podcast too, but we'll read it again if I can find it.
Speaker 1:What exactly is the definition of infidelity, right? Infidelity right, supreme Court says we don't even have to consider the fact that somebody would build a school or a copy of the 1800s, but it'll work for now. And infidelity, if I can remember how to, right there we go. Infidelity, what is it? The fact or state of being an infidel right. And what is an infidel Right above it? A person who does not believe in a particular religion, especially the prevailing religion. So specifically, right, a Christian among non-Christians, a Muslim among non-Muslims or a non-Muslim among Muslims. Right, a Christian among non-Christians or a person who holds no religious belief. A person the third definition here a person who does not accept some particular theory or belief. Right, christianity. So the Supreme Court in 1844 again is saying we don't even have to worry about talking about a school or a college being formed that doesn't have Christianity as the basis. Again, folks, just another tool for your toolbox.
Speaker 1:Supreme Court in 1878, and this is the case of Reynolds versus the United States. These are the same men that successfully passed the act creating religious freedom in Virginia. They also passed very strict laws against polygamy and sexual immorality. And this is the Supreme Court decision of 1878. It is a significant fact that on the 8th of December 1788, after the passage of the Act Establishing Religious Freedom and after the Convention of Virginia had recommended, as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Declaration and a Bill of Rights that all men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, that the legislature of the state substantially enacted the death penalty for polygamy. Interesting there Supreme Court, again 1884.
Speaker 1:Reference to individuals' God-given rights. These inherent rights have never been more happily expressed than in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident. That is, so plain that their truth is recognized upon their mere statement. Plain that their truth is recognized upon their mere statement that all men are endowed, not by edicts of emperors or decrees of parliament or acts of congress, but by their Creator, with certain inalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And to secure these not grant them, but secure them governments are instituted among men.
Speaker 1:That's a pretty big one, folks, if you don't understand that your rights come from God, not, as the Supreme Court here says in 1884, not from edicts of emperors or decrees of parliament or acts of Congress, but by their creator. And that to secure these, not grant them. It's not that the government grants us these rights, it's to secure them. And what are those rights right? What's the very first one? Life and liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Those first two folks Life. We've done a pretty good job, denying life to 65 million plus now isn't it Citizens over the last 50 years in America? The abortion slide has to be abolished, not just hindered.
Speaker 1:But if you don't understand the general principle laid out and the Declaration of Independence that these rights come from God and the Declaration of Independence that these rights come from God, and this, you go back to the previous or two previous Supreme Court cases. We talked about Girard versus the executors that this is a Christian nation. So God, the Father of Jesus Christ, if you think that the government can dictate what your rights are right or that your rights come from the government, then the government can dictate what they are. They can tell you what they are on Monday and they can change their mind the following Monday and decide there's something else. And if government is the grantor of our rights, then we can't complain. But if instead, as the declaration says, our rights come from the father of Jesus Christ, the one true God, then those rights can't be adjusted or taken away by government, by Congress or Parliament or an emperor.
Speaker 1:So how could we possibly teach the Declaration of Independence accurately and at the same time not have Bible-centric education, public education, in America? How can our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, acknowledge that our rights come from the Father of Jesus Christ and at the same time, we refuse to have public education centered around the word of the Father of Jesus Christ. That doesn't make any sense. It's not logical. You can't.
Speaker 1:On the one hand, you can't say well, the very founding of our country, our founders, acknowledged that our rights come from God, this guy over here, the father of Jesus Christ, but at the same time, they didn't want the father of Jesus Christ involved in our schools, politics, military law enforcement, etc. It's not, it's nonsensical, folks. So just another tool to add to your toolbox, just another little bit of information. We might talk about a couple more Supreme Court cases on the next podcast. We'll see. God bless y'all. God bless your families. God bless your marriages. God bless America. God bless your nation, wherever you are around the world. Listen, we'll talk to y'all again real soon. Looking forward to it.